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[quote="nochkin"][quote="Cupid"][quote="mario"]I should stop being lazy and do it the right way.[/quote] I don't think 'lazy' would be s description that anyone here would have for you.. But if you want to apply it to yourself I guess we can't really complain! ;-)[/quote] Sometimes when you do a big project then you allow yourself to skip some things here and there, make it more simple to design (and develop).. assuming that "some day" you will get back and "do it the right way". Unfortunately, it happens. I usually call it "bad design", but "being lazy" is a good name too :) As long as mario aware of it then it's safe.. for a while. Anyway, "some day" will come eventually :)[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>nochkin</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:23 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cupid wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>mario wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I should stop being lazy and do it the right way.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I don't think 'lazy' would be s description that anyone here would have for you.. But if you want to apply it to yourself I guess we can't really complain! ;-)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Sometimes when you do a big project then you allow yourself to skip some things here and there, make it more simple to design (and develop).. assuming that "some day" you will get back and "do it the right way". <br />Unfortunately, it happens. I usually call it "bad design", but "being lazy" is a good name too :) As long as mario aware of it then it's safe.. for a while. <br /> <br />Anyway, "some day" will come eventually :)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cupid</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:33 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>mario wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I should stop being lazy and do it the right way.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I don't think 'lazy' would be s description that anyone here would have for you.. But if you want to apply it to yourself I guess we can't really complain! ;-)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mario</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:50 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Because it was easier to implement it this way. I should stop being lazy and do it the right way.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>nochkin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:31 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Many people don't read FAQ for these kind of stuff. "Edit" is edit, nothing else. <br />I personally don't think it's a good design idea to delete it when you just clicked "Edit". <br /> <br />Why don't just edit it when "Submit" clicked?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cupid</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:25 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>juangrande wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Mark, there <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a FAQ on this: see <span style="font-weight: bold">Can I change my bid after I've entered it in Gixen?</span> in the FAQ. Moreover, the message <br /> <br /><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">Warning, item deleted. Edit below and press Add.</span></span> <br /> <br />is displayed at the top of the page after clicking the [Edit] button. <br /> <br />However, your suggestion to not delete the original snipe until the [Add] button is clicked seems to be a good suggestion. It would be more intuitive for the average user: only programmers think "edit" means "delete original and then replace with new version". (Hey! I resemble that remark!) :D</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes I stand (actually sit) corrected, there is an FAQ, and yes that big red message had not eluded me... but it probably has others!... I know how little some people read of eBay listings before deciding to bid very large amounts ... which the scammers rely on so that these poor souls can't claim its 'Not as described'... we all know it still goes on, Caveat emptor as they (used to) say. <br /> <br />Anyway back on subject, actually I am an 'old school' programmer (haven't done any for about 6 months now, mind you), perhaps thats why I'm comfortable with the operation myself, having seen many implementations that use the same design pattern. <br /> <br />Yes I still think my suggestion would make sense and I think it would also involve removing the 'Sorry that item is already present' message (well something like that) that would probably not be a bad loss though would it?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>juangrande</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:40 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Mark, there <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a FAQ on this: see <span style="font-weight: bold">Can I change my bid after I've entered it in Gixen?</span> in the FAQ. Moreover, the message <br /> <br /><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">Warning, item deleted. Edit below and press Add.</span></span> <br /> <br />is displayed at the top of the page after clicking the [Edit] button. <br /> <br />However, your suggestion to not delete the original snipe until the [Add] button is clicked seems to be a good suggestion. It would be more intuitive for the average user: only programmers think "edit" means "delete original and then replace with new version". (Hey! I resemble that remark!) :D</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cupid</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:47 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It seems to be a problem that a number of users experience doesn't it? <br /> <br />My guess would be that people are not realising that if they push that 'Edit' button what in fact happens is it gets deleted... they then decide no, I'm happy with it but don't push the 'Add' button again (as they don't realise they have to) and the result is they have just deleted their snipe. <br /> <br />So what I'm saying is that perhaps the 'problem' here is with the counter intuitive design of this 'Edit' function. <br /> <br />Personally I'm happy with it as I know how it works, but perhaps there needs to be, at least, an FAQ on this. <br /> <br />I imagine that to change the design to a more intuitive: <br /> <br />1: Populate, but don't delete, on pushing the 'Edit' button. <br />2: Update the original snipe on subsequently pushing the 'Add' button (perhaps renamed in this case to be an 'Update' button. <br /> <br />... would cause you more problems to implement?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mario</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:38 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Billy, are you sure you have not deleted / edited this snipe before auction end? Because all I can see here is a snipe that was deleted before auction end.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Billy</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:35 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: snipe did not work</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I placed $125.55 snipe for ebay item 190153733537 but snipe was not placed. <br /> <br />The winning bid was only $88.00 <br /> <br />Thanks :(</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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